I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. Shes not going anywhere. ..I have a total girl crush. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. Its just lazy writing. Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. As I said Tilly has the same issues. I LOVE the future! I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). I feel bad saying this but Ive never a read a Star Trek novel in my life lol. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. By the way, could of isnt English. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. Shaming is one thing. You made very good points and I do agree. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. But how the women look?! Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). But then again Im not a troll. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. Please dont ban me!). Tilly is Trekdom. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. I want to really like Discovery, I do. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. They just didnt do much with him. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. The message she is sending how? While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. But admittedly, its pretty close. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. Biography No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Took time to reset the franchise. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Way too many issues. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. Just blows my mind. It inspired her to switch careers. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. It was so fun. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Well, Renos really more engineering. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Even Picard has his own show. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. This sounds kind of racist. David Ajala: Yeah. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Right! These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! I have to agree. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . I echo your sentiments exactly, David. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. A person who we see strive to make themselves a better person. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. (80's for ya) After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. | November 13, 2021 | . Barclays ticks do get really annoying. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . It just happened. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. What? Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Neither were annoying. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. I think you are talking jibberish. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? That is not anything to diss. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Keep up the great work ladies! Well said, Edward. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. Mary Wiseman. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Mary Wiseman: That was a really good teaser. Anyway it was just a thought. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Gotta side with Sascha here. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Book is Han Solo. I like the way you think! I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Then maybe I would actually remember his name! Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. I really liked her in the first season. However, we do know that David Mack does. Its all pretty subjective. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). advantage. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Make it make sense! But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true.