Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. Shes guilty. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. Thats the problem with high profile cases. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Any thoughts on that? Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Where is the blood spatter on Diane? The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. People have always been wondering about Steve Downs, Danie Downs ex-husband. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. Not giving you free reign here. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? 5. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. 6. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. 'Leave It to Beaver' star Tony Dow explains why he wasn't allowed to I do not post rude comments. Every single one of these questions matter. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. Since his ex wife was sentenced to life in prison, he has not reappeared in public life nor has he given any television interviews about his family. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. Imagine the ones there for years. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. I was also stunned that she took the reports of all of Dianes ( mostly married) ex lovers as absolute truth and never once questioned that they might have been lying and retrospectively minimising their feelings for Diane to protect themselves. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Ask them what they did to a good man. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. He has also once again decided to defy . Downs: And there was a big reward, too. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. Their first child, Christie Ann, was born in 1974. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. I still dont buy her story. Not our place to decide. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. It was a dark and rural road. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Diane, 18, had run away from home to do so. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going to voice master chief. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Its a rather large part of the story. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? There are some stories that stick with you for a long time. Seems like she was her worst enemy. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going I would like to believe this is the truth. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. LMFAO!!!! Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. Brewer changed his mind. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. And the fatal shooting of her children by her wife in 1983 didn't do much to put him in the limelight. Cheryl Lynn followed in 1976, and Stephen Daniel was born in 1979. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. There are no facts? He knows as he was in court and must have photos. Nothing came from Diane herself. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. At that timeand now!! Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Tuko.co.ke featured an interesting article about the actor that has been in the industry for more than 13 years, starring in various great productions. The Pros and Cons of Getting Sole Legal Custody - Verywell Family Just my opinion. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. You are right. Why Ruth Bader Ginsburg Refused to Step Down - The New York Times It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Were they involved in the plot too?? Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. Don't get butt hurt. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Steve and Diane had three children, Danny, Cheryl, and Christie Ann. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. Im sorry but your article is tosh. Who is Steve Downs? The story of Diane Downs' ex-husband The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. It simply states the facts of the case. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. (Appendix 81, page 1466). And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Brewer changed his mind. And that is why Diane chose to murder her children to regain his affection. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. 7 chilling clues in case of Diane Downs after she told cops a stranger Q. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. The detective said to leave that up to the police. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Then they just got shut out. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. It probably makes you feel so good. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. Due process always matters. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. It's not even known if he still resides in Arizona, where he used to live with Diane and their three kids. And the motive? They examined her clothes also. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. why didn't steve downs get custody - Arrowmtn.com And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. And to make her story believable, she shot a round in her arm before going to the hospital, claiming that she was a victim of a terrible carjacking. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. They both would fall in love and decide they want to marry each other. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. 1. After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and that's where she first met him. She even provided the police with her own sketch. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. Q. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. Mr. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. As for Diane, give me a break. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. It isnt there all the time. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. Because she was failing quite miserably at remaining pure and chaste, she was expelled after only a year, and thus, she returned to her parents home in Arizona. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). So, what happened to the children's father? She could have stayed on the side of the road. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. And I care about the lack of evidence. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. She did it. Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Diane was 18 years old at the time and had run away from home to get married. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. It goes on and on. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. I go fishing with a jurors husband. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Mr. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. But you are right to say that it is my site. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords).