He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. It seems so, according to you. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. The trial was taking so much of my time. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. This woman killed and is where she belongs! So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Have a tip we should know? Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. She won't see them graduate from college. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father I hope she rots in hell. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. I really never thought of it again.. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. in journalism from the University of Southern California. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Omg so well put! She was wrongfully convicted.. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. I would have liked better her being put to death! ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Still, no good leads materialized. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Or did they? The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. I thought the same. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. And its been bad. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Search it out and check for yourself. Patricia If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Mark and Patricia McCloskey And I have absolutely no sympathy. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. Or did they? Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Search is on. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Jealousy was the motive. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? He was captured in August and is in state custody. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? I dont even know its Christmas.. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Locked up. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. False. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h They are total bs. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. We really thought she was dead all those years. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Book her. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Deal refused. Unbloody vehicle. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Trash-talking ex. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. And shes were so happy. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Patricia Rorrer: An Update Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Jerry Browns office. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. That poor child and that poor woman. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. If the answer is no, enough said! Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Meticulous primping. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Oh my God. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Hair we go. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. I didnt believe it. It's been a long three years for them.". Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Had there been a switch? Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Patty is my cousin. Its never been made clear. Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor You seem to have a fragile ego. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of None. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. Whatever the truth is. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. More hairs there. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. 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She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Phone records dont lie.) This is the most ridiculous take ever! Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Wow. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson.
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