The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. It is, as you say, a thumper. .358 STA - RifleShooter Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The .356 Win. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. It was recovered in bits and pieces. I was wrong. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. The .35 Rem. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! It never got up. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. in the Big Bore Model 94. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. .358 Norma Magnum - Wikipedia were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. The trouble is, they didnt sell. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. You can start with the 6.5mms. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. 35 Whelen. i have a 35 whelen and love it. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Whelen would not. Mag. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. to achieve its potential. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. What keeps it alive? when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. Movement is more random in big country. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. Mag. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Not necessarily top dollar everything. cases. .50 Beowulf. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. Norma Oryx .35 Whelen 250gr | Norma So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. | Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Mag. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. .35 Whelen: The Poor Man's Magnum - Big Game Hunting Blog Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. of muzzle energy. Out of stock View Details . So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. Mag. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. and .32 Rem. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. 35 whelen vs everything else - Mississippi Gun Owners The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. .470 Nitro Express. He, too, could have been one of the greats. The .300 Rem. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. .35 Caliber Cartridges - CHUCKHAWKS.COM Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. America's Rejected Caliber | An Official Journal Of The NRA That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. They can take their time and pick their shots. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. .358 Norma N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo For Sale at Classic Firearms Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. .50 BMG. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. What Three Dozen Elk Cartridges Taught Me - Gun Digest Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. As it was released in the first century of the . Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington.
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